Hi Rene,
I fully agree with dropping the install shield release.
The "good old tar file" releases are very reliable, easy
to install and much safer than the install shield procedure.
Cheers,
Nick.
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Rene Brun wrote:
>
> Hi Francois-Xavier,
>
> Since this discussion is hard to follow for the majority of ROOT users,
> I propose the following solution:
> The problems reported are exclusively with the InstallShield distribution.
> I propose to not build this mode of distribution for Windows anymore
> and to provide only the "good old tar file".
> Based on the ftp distribution statistics, I see that we had
> 7155 distributions of the "good old tar file"
> 1423 distributions of the InstallShield file.
>
> At each Root release, I spend more time building the 3 Windows files
> than the 25 Unix tar files. Suppressing the InstallShield file will save
> me some time and also time to Windows users.
>
> Unless I get many complaints, I will drop the InstallShield file
> in the coming releases.
>
> Rene Brun
>
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, GENTIT Francois-Xavier DAPNIA wrote:
>
> > Hello Valeri,
> > I would hesitate between 2 solutions:
> > (1) - your solution 3.
> > (2) - a 4th possibility, which simply consists in doing nothing and
> > advise users not to put ROOT in a directory with a blank in the name.
> > You should take the decision with René and the ROOT staff. In case your
> > solution 3 is adopted, please modify the makefile which is provided with
> > ROOT in root/test.
> >
> > François-Xavier Gentit
> > DAPNIA/SPP CEA Saclay
> > http://gentit.home.cern.ch/gentit/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Faine, Valeri [mailto:fine@bnl.gov]
> > Envoyé : mardi 12 novembre 2002 17:14
> > À : GENTIT Francois-Xavier DAPNIA
> > Cc : roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > Objet : RE: [ROOT] Do not install ROOT in "Program Files"
> >
> >
> > Hello François,
> >
> > Thank you very much for you example. That has allowed me to understand
> > the user's need better.
> >
> > The bottom line:
> > ----------------
> > If the file name contains any special symbol or blank it must have been
> > advised to quote this file name. This approach should work for either
> > platform, since the modern UNIX systems do allow the blanks and the
> > special symbols for the file names also.
> >
> > Anyway . . .
> >
> > There are three different solutions here:
> >
> > 1. I can add for both kind of platforms namely Win9<x> and NT<x>
> > one extra env. variable. Let's call it ROOTPATH, that is to contain the
> > "short" version of ROOTSYS with no blank.
> > (Try the command prompt command "dir /X c:\ " to reveal the short names)
> > This variable had been done with Win9x installation (try
> > http://root.bnl.gov) and can be done for NT<x> as well.
> > (Cons: one can change the NTFS setting to prevent it to generate the
> > short names)
> >
> > For example:
> > > dir /X c:\
> > . . .
> > 11/07/2002 10:21a <DIR> PROGRA~1 Program Files
> > . . .
> >
> > 2. As p.1 above but ROOTSYS itself is to be assigned in short form right
> > away, no extra ROOTPATH is needed.
> >
> > 3. Adjust your makefile (see attachment)
> >
> > Can you try to change your makefile.
> > I propose to add one extra variable
> > Let's say:
> >
> > ROOTPATH = "$(ROOTSYS)"
> >
> > and use it instead of ROOTSYS.
> > Since ROOTPATH is quoted this may not have confused any Windows (or
> > UNIX:-) utility.
> >
> > I'd like to mention the 3-d approach should work for either UNIX or
> > Windows
> > properly with no extra trick. The first and second would work but they
> > would have hidden the problem rather to cure it. The file names with
> > special symbols or/and blanks inside is to be quoted to be treated
> > properly.
> >
> > Let me know which way you like and whether third case causes any
> > troubles for you.
> >
> > Myself likes the third solution since it shows how the file name with
> > blanks are to be managed properly and doesn't rely on any special file
> > system feature (like generating two different namespaces for one and the
> > same file)
> >
> > Very likely these approaches should be mentioned somewhere on ROOT Web
> > site.
> >
> > My best regards, Valeri
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: GENTIT Francois-Xavier DAPNIA [mailto:GENTIT@dapnia.cea.fr]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:59 AM
> > > To: 'Faine, Valeri'
> > > Subject: RE: [ROOT] Do not install ROOT in "Program Files"
> > >
> > > Dear Valeri,
> > > Muster3, joined with this mail, is a kind of minimum "hello"
> > program,
> > > using ROOT, that I always try first just after having installed ROOT
> > on
> > > the
> > > PC of a colleague of me willing to work with ROOT. It uses a makefile
> > and
> > > this makefile contains $(ROOTSYS). When ROOT has been installed in
> > > c:\Program files, it seems that the ROOT library are not found because
> > of
> > > the blank character in Program files.
> > >
> > > François-Xavier Gentit
> > > DAPNIA/SPP CEA Saclay
> > > http://gentit.home.cern.ch/gentit/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : Faine, Valeri [mailto:fine@bnl.gov]
> > > Envoyé : vendredi 8 novembre 2002 16:53
> > > À : GENTIT Francois-Xavier DAPNIA; roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > > Objet : RE: [ROOT] Do not install ROOT in "Program Files"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello François,
> > > I am sorry. It sounds I misunderstood the problem missing your
> > > ". . .one has problems after that with makefile. . ."
> > >
> > > Can you tell me how I can reproduce the problem?
> > > Is it Win 9x?
> > >
> > > For the Win9x family the installation mentioned below introduced one
> > > extra environment variable, namely ROOTPATH along with ROOTSYS.
> > > ROOTPATH is a "short version" of ROOTSYS, that can be used to avoid
> > the
> > > confusion within any user Makefile.
> > > Check you autoexec.bat file after installation to see ROOTSYS and
> > > ROOTPATH values.
> > >
> > > Thank you, Valeri
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello François,
> > > > Try the installation from http://root.bnl.gov
> > > > It will set any Windows environment properly for any directory and
> > any
> > > > Windows platform (I hope, Let me know if there is still any
> > problem).
> > > > No extra user effort is required, just click there and reply some
> > > usual
> > > > questions. ("Program Files" should be fine as well)
> > > >
> > > > To avoid the clash with other ROOT installation, please remove it
> > > first.
> > > > Or make sure your PATH and/or autoexec.bat don't contain the old
> > ROOT
> > > > directory.
> > > >
> > > > My best regards, Valeri
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > > > [mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]
> > > > > On Behalf Of GENTIT Francois-Xavier DAPNIA
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:51 AM
> > > > > To: 'roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch'
> > > > > Subject: [ROOT] Do not install ROOT in "Program Files"
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Rooters,
> > > > > I had twice to help rooters [Benoit.Horeau@cea.fr, and
> > > > > Patrick.Jarry@cern.ch] because of the following problem concerning
> > > > ROOT on
> > > > > Windows:
> > > > > if ROOT is installed in the directory C:\Program Files, ( which
> > is
> > > > > proposed by default ! ) one has problems after that with
> > makefile,
> > > > > because
> > > > > of the blank character in "Program Files".
> > > > > A warning should be given to users on the ROOT download page,
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > should choose C:\ instead of C:\Program Files for the default
> > > > directory
> > > > > proposed.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > François-Xavier Gentit
> > > > > DAPNIA/SPP CEA Saclay
> > > > > http://gentit.home.cern.ch/gentit/
> > >
> >
> >
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