cstrato wrote:
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> Sorry, with the exception of NeoOffice all the programs that
> you are mentioning, are programs for developers!!
I had an impression that we are discussing software for developers. At least the subject still contains ROOT, which is not really a package for housewives.
> Do you really think, that e.g. my wife is interested in any
> of these programs?
I certainly don't know what is your wife interested in. Maybe she has a mobile phone ? - 50% of them use Java (J2ME). And you wife may even sometimes browse on the net so she is certainly accessing servers implemented in Java (those are the programs which you have refused as "not for users").
> And NeoOffice is a typical example of a Java application:
> It is so slow, that it is almost unusable!!!
It has the same speed as the OpenOffice, which is a typical example
of a C++ application:
It is so slow, that it is almost unusable!!! :-)
Julius
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> Christian
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> Julius Hrivnac wrote:
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>> >> >> cstrato wrote: >> >>> I knew that you will mention these special apps, mainly written >>> for developers. >>> >>> I mean real world programs for the average PC user, such as: >>> Windows NT, XP, MS-Office (Word, Excel, etc), Adobe Photoshop, >>> Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat Reader, Mozilla, etc >> >> >> All applications I've mentioned are real world programs, >> Eclipse, NetBeans, TogetherJ, NeoOffice (OpenOffice for MacOSX) >> are for the average PC users. They all have huge user base. >> Sorry, most of them are free - is it a problem ? >> >>> All of these commercial apps for the average user are written >>> in C++, none in Java!! >> >> >> It's WRONG. I've mentioned just several examples. Most real world >> applications >> are multi-language, with components in C/C++/C#, Java, Lisp,... >> >> Julius >> >> >> >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> Julius Hrivnac wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> cstrato wrote: >>>> >>>>> At least, there are few commercial applications using QT, such as >>>>> "Adobe Photoshop Album" and "JMP" (a business unit of SAS), see the >>>>> TrollTech website, but please tell me any commercially successful >>>>> mainstream software written in Java. I do not know any! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WebSphere: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/was >>>> Oracle4JEE: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/oc4j/index.html >>>> JBoss: http://www.jboss.org >>>> Together/J: http://www.borland.com/us/products/together/index.html >>>> Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org >>>> NetBeans: http://www.netbeans.org >>>> Tomcat: http://tomcat.apache.org >>>> many others ... >>>> >>>> Some of theme are GPL, others are expensive, but all are very >>>> successful. >>>> >>>> Julius >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> Julius Hrivnac wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, almost all KDE applications are based on Qt. I don't care so >>>>>> much if it is nicer with Qt or GTK (I think both are fine). I prefer >>>>>> Qt for its API. But I certainly prefer Java to any C/C++ toolkit :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Julius >>>>>> >>>>>> Bertrand Bellenot wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Julius, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I meant application in the way of "user application" (i.e. >>>>>>> event display) >>>>>>> But thank you anyway. >>>>>>> Have a nice week-end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Bertrand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julius Hrivnac wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > 1) Root does everything just well enough. For almost all >>>>>>>>> components, there >>>>>>>>> > is a better alternative (OpenInventor for 3D, Qt for GUI, >>>>>>>>> HDF5 for >>>>>>>>> Qt for GUI ? Please give me an example of application with a >>>>>>>>> nice GUI made with Qt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probably the best example is KDE (and applications based on it). >>>>>>>> One may like better GTK/GTK+ based GUI (used for example by Java >>>>>>>> on Linux), but I prefer Qt because of its Architecture. >>>>>>>> (But I do not use either for my development, I have all I need >>>>>>>> in Java :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Julius >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>
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