RE: root manual from the other side of the moon

From: Anton Fokin (fokin@tsl.uu.se)
Date: Sat Feb 12 2000 - 12:36:37 MET


Hi Rene and others,

Well, that's fine about root helper, but I think I am not sure what
"cathedral model" means. In fact I am helping ROOT users at TSL/LU (i.e. I
talk a lot with novices) and even after these guys start to use ROOT, i.e.
become able to write a script/program, they have no idea at all about ROOT
framework. It means that after months of using ROOT they do not understand
for example a ROOT file structure and how objects like histograms become
"automatically" saved on a file, how to draw an object (well, they can draw
just changing an example, but they do not understand _how_ in principle it
works), the ROOT event model, etc. There are several things which define
ROOT framework (like object storage and file structure, drawing facility,
event handling, dictionary) and they are not somewhat "self-understandable"
and also very different sometimes from other frameworks like Delphi, Qt,
etc. I think those things should be explained before all others and from
this point of view they should make the fundament of the "cathedral" (or
"baazar" if you prefer).

Regards,
Anton

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
[mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]On Behalf Of Roland Bramm
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:55 PM
To: Dmitri Litvintsev
Cc: Roland Bramm; roottalk@hpsalo.cern.ch; Christian Holm Christensen
Subject: Re: root manual


> > My Conclusion is no Latex, because its only good not high quality,
> > Framaker is customizable too and it is nearly Platformindependent.
> >
> >   Greetings
> >
> > Roland Bramm
>
> Roland,
>
> Are you going to publish 'Vogue' magazine or Users manual?

If i could make a user manual with the quality of vogue ...

No, but i dont think, that every user manual has to look after ordinary
Latex with all the problems of Latex.

With Latex you cant Handle Graphics ( only in eps or ps, not in Text (
with floatin Text around), you cant specify the place where the Graphic
has to be placed ( becaus of the automatic Page processing ),you cant put
Graphics in the text ( for special Characters )), you cant Handle the Page
for page design, because its automatic, Latex didnt know the two
typographic Rules ( Huren Kinder Regelung, Schusterjungen Regelung ).
Latex can not be convertet in GOOD html or GOOD rtf OR GOOD PDF.
I can tell you many more reasons to bury Latex, but if you are interrested
we can do that private.\

Greetings Roland Bramm
from NA 49



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