Hello, Fons > > the "Inspector" currently looks just like the one in the X11 version. You mean like this: http://www.star.bnl.gov/~fine/NewRootWin32Inpector.gif rather like that: http://www.star.bnl.gov/~fine/OldRootWin32Inpector.gif > > However, the goal of the exercise is of course to redesign all currently > > primitive attribute panels and inspector windows to use the new ROOT GUI. > > Which then will work the same on X and Win32 (like the new TreeViewer, > > which currently only works on X11). It is trivial just paint any kind of things under Windows. The main problem one has to solve is the second thread to manage widgets. Without second thread ROOT application will freeze the entire screen just one implements some more / less time-consuming calculation. There is no such problem under UNIX since the "second thread" is provided by X-server, that WIN32 applications lack of. The question is how one can benefit from native Windows features delivered with each MS OS's those Microsoft invested huge amount of money in. On another hand I think it is not good in long term to leave Windows user with obsolete Windows 95 look-and-feel. It looked cool yesterday (on UNIX system) but it will look ugly tomorrow. I just want to remind to claim some application is "Windows look-and-feel" it must satisfy some basic things: http://msdn.microsoft.com/certification/description.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/certification/download.asp#english http://msdn.microsoft.com/certification/ Would ROOT team introduce something like TVirtulBrowser TVirtualDialog , TVirtualMenu (all can be derived from one and the same class of course like TVirtualControl ) This would open door to contribute with different kind of implementations X11, Win32, MFC, Java, Qt etc etc with no user code changing. Of course this assumes ROOT team provides some "default" implementation as well. That was proved to very successful for TCanvas / TVirtualX. Did I overlook things ? > > Since pure Win32 is being used I don't see any particular problems in > > integrating specific windows features like ActiveROOT or the interface > > to OpenInventor. Did you claim they still work (I mean ActiveROOT and OpenGL viewer) ? > Betrand will not be in charge of Windows support, but I gues he will be > answering questions and fix bugs related to his work Hopely, so far we see no his say on roottalk I went: http://root.cern.ch/root/Search.phtml and type "Search: Bellenot" in there Cheers, Valeri > > > > Cheers, Fons. > > > > Valeri Fine wrote: > > > > > > Hello, Fons > > > > > > Can you show how "Inpector" and "Open viewer" windows > > > look like with new ROOT > > > > > > Can you say whether it is comaptible with ActiveROOT. > > > Does this means Betrand Bellenot is the person in charge > > > to provide the Windows 9x/NT/2k support as well. > > > > > > Cheers, Valeri > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fons Rademakers" <Fons.Rademakers@cern.ch> > > > To: "Nick van Eijndhoven" <Nick@phys.uu.nl> > > > Cc: "ROOT Mailing List" <roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:03 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ROOT] Progress of port of ROOT native GUI to Windows... > > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > > > > > when we will release it only the new GUI will be available, however, > > > > since nothing except the lowlevel graphics has been changed (below the > > > > pad and canvas), there should be no changes in the graphics. Anyway you > > > > can always run an old version next to a new version. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Fons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick van Eijndhoven wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Fons and Bertrand, > > > > > CONGRATULATIONS ! > > > > > This indeed looks good. As soon as a first (pre)release is available > > > > > please let me know so that I can start trying things out. > > > > > >From your mail I understand that no additional libs are needed, just > > > the > > > > > standard WIN32 API. Does this mean that in the pre-release one can > > > > > have available both the ROOT GUI and the win graphics as they are now ? > > > > > If that is the case it would be very convenient to compare the two > > > > > running various analysis/test programs under windows. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dr. Nick van Eijndhoven mailto:nick@phys.uu.nl > > > http://www.phys.uu.nl/~nick > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Org.: Utrecht University/Nikhef, Department of Subatomic Physics > > > > > Address: P.O. Box 80.000, NL-3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands > > > > > Phone: +31-30-2532331(direct) +31-30-2531492(secr.) Fax: > > > +31-30-2518689 > > > > > NIKHEF: +31-20-5922028(direct) +31-20-5922000(secr.) Fax: > > > +31-20-5925155 > > > > > CERN: +41-22-7679751(direct) +41-22-7675857(secr.) Fax: > > > +41-22-7679480 > > > > > Offices: Buys Ballot lab. 710 (Utrecht) H350 (Nikhef) B23 1-020 > > > (CERN) > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Fons Rademakers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ROOTers, > > > > > > > > > > > > at the ROOT 2000 Workshop Betrand Bellenot volunteered to attempt to > > > port > > > > > > the ROOT native GUI to Windows. After some false starts he is now, > > > since a > > > > > > few months, on the right track and progressing at a good pace. The > > > screenshots > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://root.cern.ch/root/win32progress/Win32GUI.html > > > > > > > > > > > > give a good idea of the current status. The port uses the low level > > > Win32 > > > > > > graphics API and does not make use of any X11 compatibily library and > > > does > > > > > > not require an X server. As you can see the look on Windows is exactly > > > the > > > > > > same as on Unix and MacOS X. Once this work is finished, the ROOT GUI > > > classes > > > > > > can be used as a truely cross-platform GUI framework. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Fons. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Org: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics. > > > > > > Mail: 1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland > > > > > > E-Mail: Fons.Rademakers@cern.ch Phone: +41 22 7679248 > > > > > > WWW: http://root.cern.ch/~rdm/ Fax: +41 22 7677910 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Org: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics. > > > > Mail: 1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland > > > > E-Mail: Fons.Rademakers@cern.ch Phone: +41 22 7679248 > > > > WWW: http://root.cern.ch/~rdm/ Fax: +41 22 7677910 > > > > >
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