RE: [ROOT] Re: A question on root and finance

From: Edmond Offermann (edmondoffermann@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Mar 01 2004 - 19:10:11 MET


Hi Jordi,

To satisfy your analysis needs have a look at
Splus at http://www.insightful.com/default.asp
It is the tool of choice for a lot of analysts.
Or the open software equivalent R at
http://www.r-project.org/
It will not be your storage/parser solution .

Yes it should be dable to link the Bloomberg library
with ROOT libraries to your application and access
the Bloomberg data . However, some expertise is
needed .

I have no idea if somebody has a copy of previous
R-Quant sources . It might be more a bother than
help . 

Eddy

--- "Molins, Jordi" <Jordi.Molins@drkw.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > [mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]On Behalf Of
> Edmond Offermann
> > Sent: 01 March 2004 17:30
> > To: Jordi Molins Coronado
> > Cc: rootdev@pcroot.cern.ch;
> roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > Subject: [ROOT] Re: A question on root and finance
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> 
> Hi Eddy,
> 
> thanks for your reply.
> 
> > 
> > I believe that there is a group of mostly
> physicists
> > out there
> > that is using  ROOT as their development platform
> in
> > finance .
> > The secrecy involved in developing the propriety
> > algorithms
> > causes them to keep quiet....
> 
> I can believe that. ROOT seems a really good tool.
> 
> > 
> > A few years ago, Anton Fokin started to develop a
> > class library
> > R-Quant to implement financial tools . That seems
> to
> > have developed
> > into a trading tool called "QuantStudio" and can
> be
> > bought at
> > www.smartquant.com . In the menu pricing he states
> > that you can
> > get a windoze executabe for $750 and source code
> IS
> > available
> > for the right price ....
> 
> Even though QuantStudio is now a commercial product,
> it seems that at some
> point of time there was "something" free source (for
> example, there was
> something called R-quant, and I have found a
> powerpoint presentation on the
> web, by Anton Fokin, where he explicitly says that
> R-quant is free source).
> 
> It would be something extremely good for me to find
> something about it. Do
> you know who could I ask? is there somebody involved
> in the past with
> R-Quant that you know?
> 
> > 
> > That side has also a forum (similar like RootTalk
> > Forum) that
> > sheds light on the kind of users he is/wants
> > attracting/ to attract .
> > It seems mostly "day traders" that were using a
> > product like
> > TradeStation (www.tradestation.com)
> > 
> > It is not clear to me how much of ROOT he has/is
> > taken/taking with him
> > and is now trying to sell ....
> > 
> > coming back to ROOT :
> > 
> > Some of the information you supply is incomplete
> and
> > or confusing :
> > 
> > - "I am a physicist working as a trader in
> finance"
> > - "I am trying to develop a trading system"
> > 
> > Are you a trader or a quant  ? or maybe both ?
> > Trading floors for banks like Dresdner are usually
> > employing groups of
> > which part is responsible for the trading, part
> for
> > the data and the rest for research .
> 
> I am a prop trader. Up to now, I have not used many
> quantitative tools in my
> trading, but I am tired of that, and I have decided
> to develop my own
> trading strategies. I want to have fun in my life
> ;->
> 
> I want to use the time series analysis developed
> both in the mathematical
> and physical sciences to forecast asset prices:
> GARCH models, neural
> networks, wavelets, kernel smoothing, ...
> 
> In Dresdner there is almost nobody doing
> quantitative analysis. Everything
> is fundamentally (i.e., big picture ideas without
> numerical analysis)
> oriented. So, I am a little bit alone.
> 
> I know there are other banks with a more
> quantitative approach, but not
> here.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I wonder whether you want to write your own
> parsers
> > for the data feeds,
> > for sure somebody else at Dresdner bank did that
> > already . All you have to
> > do is read that data into ROOT .
> > ROOT excels in storing/graphing/fitting data and
> runs
> > on about any platform .
> 
> I am not an expert programmer. I can program in c++,
> but just as a
> practitioner. Unfortunately, I do not know how to
> program interfaces between
> applications. This is one of the issues not clear to
> me:
> 
> there are some data vendors (like Bloomberg) that
> have an API to give live
> data prices. Would it be easy to link Bloomberg
> applications to ROOT so that
> every time there is a new price, an algorithm is
> run, and then a new window
> automatically appears telling the trader to buy (or
> sell) if the price is
> cheap (or expensive) according to the algorithm?
> 
> I guess in physics you are not so interested in live
> data. You always can
> save all data and analyze it later. But maybe
> somebody already thought about
> it ...
> 
> 
> > 
> > Missing in ROOT are tools that are specifically
> > tailored to finance analysis like
> > time series operations . It should not be a big
> deal
> > to get a time series
> > code from somebody else at Dresdner and load it
> into
> > ROOT .
> > RQuant/QuantStudio has a time series class but
> from
> > what I recall was inedaqaute
> > for serious high-frequency analysis and more
> tailored
> > to analysis of daily data.
> 
> Even though R-Quant were not a perfect tool, I would
> like to have it, and
> improve upon it. It is better than not having
> anything ... do you know where
> to find it?
> 
> 
> > 
> > We just upgraded the linear algebra of ROOT to do
> some
> > serious linear analysis.
> > In the pipeline is a linear/quadratic programming
> set
> > of classes with which one
> > could tackle larger Markowitz betting schemes .
> 
> I will take a look at it! I think that ROOT will be
> my development framework
> in the future ...
> 
> thanks 
> 
> Jordi
> 
> > 
> > Eddy
> > 
> > ps.
> > Is this you at 
> >
>
http://empresas.iddeo.es/acusub1/i_p_ferriol19_07/imag_ferriol
> > 19_0724.htm
> > ?
> 
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