RE: [ROOT] Re: A question on root and finance

From: Molins, Jordi (Jordi.Molins@drkw.com)
Date: Tue Mar 02 2004 - 08:12:13 MET


Hi Yuri,

I already know quantlib, and it is useful for some purposes, like risk
control and securities pricing, but it is not specificly designed (as far as
I know) for time series forecasting.

Thanks for your help

Jordi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> [mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]On Behalf Of Y. Shitov
> Sent: 01 March 2004 21:24
> Cc: 'roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch'
> Subject: RE: [ROOT] Re: A question on root and finance
> 
> 
> There is also some quantlib project
> http://quantlib.org
> 
> Yuri
> 
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Edmond Offermann wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jordi,
> > 
> > To satisfy your analysis needs have a look at
> > Splus at http://www.insightful.com/default.asp
> > It is the tool of choice for a lot of analysts.
> > Or the open software equivalent R at
> > http://www.r-project.org/
> > It will not be your storage/parser solution .
> > 
> > Yes it should be dable to link the Bloomberg library
> > with ROOT libraries to your application and access
> > the Bloomberg data . However, some expertise is
> > needed .
> > 
> > I have no idea if somebody has a copy of previous
> > R-Quant sources . It might be more a bother than
> > help . 
> > 
> > Eddy
> > 
> > --- "Molins, Jordi" <Jordi.Molins@drkw.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > > > [mailto:owner-roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch]On Behalf Of
> > > Edmond Offermann
> > > > Sent: 01 March 2004 17:30
> > > > To: Jordi Molins Coronado
> > > > Cc: rootdev@pcroot.cern.ch;
> > > roottalk@pcroot.cern.ch
> > > > Subject: [ROOT] Re: A question on root and finance
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Hi Eddy,
> > > 
> > > thanks for your reply.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I believe that there is a group of mostly
> > > physicists
> > > > out there
> > > > that is using  ROOT as their development platform
> > > in
> > > > finance .
> > > > The secrecy involved in developing the propriety
> > > > algorithms
> > > > causes them to keep quiet....
> > > 
> > > I can believe that. ROOT seems a really good tool.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A few years ago, Anton Fokin started to develop a
> > > > class library
> > > > R-Quant to implement financial tools . That seems
> > > to
> > > > have developed
> > > > into a trading tool called "QuantStudio" and can
> > > be
> > > > bought at
> > > > www.smartquant.com . In the menu pricing he states
> > > > that you can
> > > > get a windoze executabe for $750 and source code
> > > IS
> > > > available
> > > > for the right price ....
> > > 
> > > Even though QuantStudio is now a commercial product,
> > > it seems that at some
> > > point of time there was "something" free source (for
> > > example, there was
> > > something called R-quant, and I have found a
> > > powerpoint presentation on the
> > > web, by Anton Fokin, where he explicitly says that
> > > R-quant is free source).
> > > 
> > > It would be something extremely good for me to find
> > > something about it. Do
> > > you know who could I ask? is there somebody involved
> > > in the past with
> > > R-Quant that you know?
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That side has also a forum (similar like RootTalk
> > > > Forum) that
> > > > sheds light on the kind of users he is/wants
> > > > attracting/ to attract .
> > > > It seems mostly "day traders" that were using a
> > > > product like
> > > > TradeStation (www.tradestation.com)
> > > > 
> > > > It is not clear to me how much of ROOT he has/is
> > > > taken/taking with him
> > > > and is now trying to sell ....
> > > > 
> > > > coming back to ROOT :
> > > > 
> > > > Some of the information you supply is incomplete
> > > and
> > > > or confusing :
> > > > 
> > > > - "I am a physicist working as a trader in
> > > finance"
> > > > - "I am trying to develop a trading system"
> > > > 
> > > > Are you a trader or a quant  ? or maybe both ?
> > > > Trading floors for banks like Dresdner are usually
> > > > employing groups of
> > > > which part is responsible for the trading, part
> > > for
> > > > the data and the rest for research .
> > > 
> > > I am a prop trader. Up to now, I have not used many
> > > quantitative tools in my
> > > trading, but I am tired of that, and I have decided
> > > to develop my own
> > > trading strategies. I want to have fun in my life
> > > ;->
> > > 
> > > I want to use the time series analysis developed
> > > both in the mathematical
> > > and physical sciences to forecast asset prices:
> > > GARCH models, neural
> > > networks, wavelets, kernel smoothing, ...
> > > 
> > > In Dresdner there is almost nobody doing
> > > quantitative analysis. Everything
> > > is fundamentally (i.e., big picture ideas without
> > > numerical analysis)
> > > oriented. So, I am a little bit alone.
> > > 
> > > I know there are other banks with a more
> > > quantitative approach, but not
> > > here.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder whether you want to write your own
> > > parsers
> > > > for the data feeds,
> > > > for sure somebody else at Dresdner bank did that
> > > > already . All you have to
> > > > do is read that data into ROOT .
> > > > ROOT excels in storing/graphing/fitting data and
> > > runs
> > > > on about any platform .
> > > 
> > > I am not an expert programmer. I can program in c++,
> > > but just as a
> > > practitioner. Unfortunately, I do not know how to
> > > program interfaces between
> > > applications. This is one of the issues not clear to
> > > me:
> > > 
> > > there are some data vendors (like Bloomberg) that
> > > have an API to give live
> > > data prices. Would it be easy to link Bloomberg
> > > applications to ROOT so that
> > > every time there is a new price, an algorithm is
> > > run, and then a new window
> > > automatically appears telling the trader to buy (or
> > > sell) if the price is
> > > cheap (or expensive) according to the algorithm?
> > > 
> > > I guess in physics you are not so interested in live
> > > data. You always can
> > > save all data and analyze it later. But maybe
> > > somebody already thought about
> > > it ...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Missing in ROOT are tools that are specifically
> > > > tailored to finance analysis like
> > > > time series operations . It should not be a big
> > > deal
> > > > to get a time series
> > > > code from somebody else at Dresdner and load it
> > > into
> > > > ROOT .
> > > > RQuant/QuantStudio has a time series class but
> > > from
> > > > what I recall was inedaqaute
> > > > for serious high-frequency analysis and more
> > > tailored
> > > > to analysis of daily data.
> > > 
> > > Even though R-Quant were not a perfect tool, I would
> > > like to have it, and
> > > improve upon it. It is better than not having
> > > anything ... do you know where
> > > to find it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We just upgraded the linear algebra of ROOT to do
> > > some
> > > > serious linear analysis.
> > > > In the pipeline is a linear/quadratic programming
> > > set
> > > > of classes with which one
> > > > could tackle larger Markowitz betting schemes .
> > > 
> > > I will take a look at it! I think that ROOT will be
> > > my development framework
> > > in the future ...
> > > 
> > > thanks 
> > > 
> > > Jordi
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Eddy
> > > > 
> > > > ps.
> > > > Is this you at 
> > > >
> > >
> > http://empresas.iddeo.es/acusub1/i_p_ferriol19_07/imag_ferriol
> > > > 19_0724.htm
> > > > ?
> > > 
> > === message truncated ===
> > 
> > 
> 


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