Re: [ROOT] Limit Calculators in ROOT

From: Rene Brun (Rene.Brun@cern.ch)
Date: Thu Nov 11 2004 - 09:17:59 MET


Hi Jan,

Thanks. I have added part of this exchange to the documentation of TRolke
with pointers from TLimit and TFeldmanCousins.
see section "Should I use TRolke, TFeldmanCousins, TLimit?" at
   http://root.cern.ch/root/htmldoc/TRolke.html

Rene Brun

Jan CONRAD wrote:
> 
> Dear Gerhard,  cc: all
> 
> > >
> > > 1. I guess TRolke makes TFeldmanCousins obsolete?
> 
> Certainly not. TFeldmanCousins is the fully frequentist construction and
> should be used in case of no (or small uncertainties). TRolke applies the
> so called lnL + 1/2 approximation, which is inferior. It is however shown
> in the reference mentioned in the class that it has good coverage
> properties, i.e it might be used where FC can't.
> 
> > > 2. What are the advantages of TRolke over TLimit?
> 
> As Rene Brun pointed out TRolke is fully frequentist. TLimit treats
> nuisance parameters Bayesian. For a coverage study of a Bayesian method I
> refer to physics/0408039 (Tegenfeldt & J.C). However, this note studies
> the coverage of Feldman&Cousins with Bayesian treatment of nuisance
> parameters. To make a long story short: using the Bayesian method you
> might introduce a small amount of over-coverage (though I haven't shown it
> for TLimit). On the other hand, coverage of course is a not so interesting
> when you consider yourself a Bayesian.
> 
> > > 3. Has TRolke acutally been used in practice
> > >     (= in published papers)?
> 
> Not exactly TRolke. But be advised that Minuit is very similar (TRolke
> differs in the treatement of parameters near boundaries) and has
> been used for ages.
> 
> > > 4. Is there already some controversy connected with TRolke,
> > >     similar to the other methods?
> 
> No. And I doubt there ever will be.
> 
> > > 5. Why doesn't TRolke have a nice histogram interface
> > >     like TLimit? ;)
> 
> Because I have a day time job, too ;). But I take note of the request.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jan
> 
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