Re: [Fwd: Re: Wikipedia criticism about root]

cstrato wrote:
> I knew that you will mention these special apps, mainly written
> for developers.
>
> I mean real world programs for the average PC user, such as:
> Windows NT, XP, MS-Office (Word, Excel, etc), Adobe Photoshop,
> Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat Reader, Mozilla, etc

All applications I've mentioned are real world programs, Eclipse, NetBeans, TogetherJ, NeoOffice (OpenOffice for MacOSX) are for the average PC users. They all have huge user base. Sorry, most of them are free - is it a problem ?

> All of these commercial apps for the average user are written
> in C++, none in Java!!

It's WRONG. I've mentioned just several examples. Most real world applications are multi-language, with components in C/C++/C#, Java, Lisp,...

          Julius

>
> Christian
>
> Julius Hrivnac wrote:
>

>>
>>
>> cstrato wrote:
>>
>>> At least, there are few commercial applications using QT, such as
>>> "Adobe Photoshop Album" and "JMP" (a business unit of SAS), see the
>>> TrollTech website, but please tell me any commercially successful
>>> mainstream software written in Java. I do not know any!
>>
>>
>> WebSphere: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/was
>> Oracle4JEE: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/oc4j/index.html
>> JBoss: http://www.jboss.org
>> Together/J: http://www.borland.com/us/products/together/index.html
>> Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org
>> NetBeans: http://www.netbeans.org
>> Tomcat: http://tomcat.apache.org
>> many others ...
>>
>> Some of theme are GPL, others are expensive, but all are very successful.
>>
>>         Julius
>>
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> Julius Hrivnac wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, almost all KDE applications are based on Qt. I don't care so
>>>> much if it is nicer with Qt or GTK (I think both are fine). I prefer
>>>> Qt for its API. But I certainly prefer Java to any C/C++ toolkit :-)
>>>>
>>>>          Julius
>>>>
>>>> Bertrand Bellenot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Julius,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I meant application in the way of "user application" (i.e. 
>>>>> event display)
>>>>> But thank you anyway.
>>>>> Have a nice week-end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Bertrand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julius Hrivnac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  > 1) Root does everything just well enough. For almost all 
>>>>>>> components, there
>>>>>>>  >    is a better alternative (OpenInventor for 3D, Qt for GUI, 
>>>>>>> HDF5 for
>>>>>>> Qt for GUI ? Please give me an example of application with a nice 
>>>>>>> GUI made with Qt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably the best example is KDE (and applications based on it).
>>>>>> One may like better GTK/GTK+ based GUI (used for example by Java
>>>>>> on Linux), but I prefer Qt because of its Architecture.
>>>>>> (But I do not use either for my development, I have all I need
>>>>>> in Java :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Julius
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

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